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[00:00:14] Craig Syverson
Welcome to VentureCast 15. I’m Craig Syverson of Grunt Media.

[00:00:17] David Hornik
I’m David Hornik from August Capital, and.

[00:00:20] Craig Syverson
This is the wireless version of venturecast, as you can see by the table.

[00:00:24] David Hornik
Yeah, right, exactly. We only have 17 wires today.

[00:00:28] Craig Syverson
17 kilometers of wire. Because we have a guest today.

[00:00:31] David Hornik
That’s right.

[00:00:31] Craig Syverson
For the first time in Ginger Cast history.

[00:00:34] David Hornik
That’s true. With the exception of the wander around the conference and ask many people questions.

[00:00:38] Craig Syverson
I mean, we actually rope somebody into sitting down, drink coffee with us. I mean, that’s. That’s a big deal.

[00:00:43] David Hornik
That’s right. We’re not going to actually tell you who he is, but once he speaks, it’ll be abundantly clear.

[00:00:48] Jeff Clavier
That is so unfair.

[00:00:49] David Hornik
See, it’s Jeff Clavier from Texas.

[00:00:53] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:00:53] Jeff Clavier
Paris. No, the other one.

[00:00:56] David Hornik
So, yeah. So Jeff and I. Well, we can’t discuss the details. Justin had a photo shoot, and since.

[00:01:03] Jeff Clavier
We were gonna push some pictures, actually already on Flickr.

[00:01:07] David Hornik
Great. All right, so if you want to go to Flickr, you can see the beautiful shots from the photo shoot. But then I said, oh, well, we’re gonna be doing our podcast. Jeff, do you want to join us? And he foolishly agreed.

[00:01:18] Jeff Clavier
So it’s always a pleasure. And the few episodes I’ve been able to listen to on my PC because you guys don’t do MP3 versions yet of this show, and I really. Craig, please do that. It’s coming up because not everybody has an ipod, you see, I’ve heard of that.

[00:01:32] Craig Syverson
There are rumors of float.

[00:01:33] Jeff Clavier
How strange. As strange as it is, rumors afloat.

[00:01:36] Craig Syverson
That that’s true.

[00:01:37] David Hornik
I saw maybe two or three other MP3 players at the Consumer Electronics show. At best. Yeah, maybe three.

[00:01:43] Craig Syverson
Wow.

[00:01:44] David Hornik
So anyway, so those of you who don’t know Jeff Clavier, he is the founder of Soft Tech VC and an angel investor and startup professor. I don’t know. How do you describe a startup? He’s startup. What are you?

[00:02:03] Jeff Clavier
Startup advisor? Startup coach? Startup. You know, I basically do whatever it takes to make the company that I invest in or work with successful. So if it’s me, if it means helping them with this, this, or that, we’ll do it. So there’s no. There’s no title.

[00:02:19] David Hornik
All right?

[00:02:19] Jeff Clavier
I just work with interesting entrepreneurs, work on interesting projects in the consumer Internet space.

[00:02:24] David Hornik
And now you’ve had a bunch of. You’ve had a bunch. You’ve had a number of companies that have done well. You’ve had Trulia. No, excuse me, Truvio. Oh, my goodness, What a faux pas. Leaving as we speak.

[00:02:37] Craig Syverson
Shall we edit that or just leave it?

[00:02:39] David Hornik
No, forget it. Forget it. Truvio. Truvio. Sold to aol. In the video search, you had userplane. Also aol.

[00:02:47] Jeff Clavier
Also aol.

[00:02:48] David Hornik
And you’re an advisor to my blog log. Yeah, my blog log. Now part of Yahoo.

[00:02:53] Jeff Clavier
Yep.

[00:02:54] David Hornik
What’s next? Which one’s next, Jeff?

[00:02:57] Jeff Clavier
I don’t think I can talk about that.

[00:02:58] David Hornik
Oh, damn. All right.

[00:03:00] Jeff Clavier
But I’ll be happy to come back once that one is announced.

[00:03:03] David Hornik
That one. Interesting. So there’s one in the works. No, no, this must be Dogster.

[00:03:11] Jeff Clavier
No, Dogster is doing extremely well. There is a lot of interest, but, you know, it’s a great company, already profitable and you know, getting to the next scale. So no interest for now.

[00:03:20] David Hornik
I’ve been thinking of getting a dog just to be on Dogster.

[00:03:24] Craig Syverson
You can be on Dogster and be on the Internet and no one will know that you’re not a dog.

[00:03:29] Jeff Clavier
Except that you have to post pictures of a dog, you know, to be on Dogster.

[00:03:33] Craig Syverson
Otherwise that’s where istockphoto comes in real handy.

[00:03:36] David Hornik
Yeah, right. This is my beautiful pug. His name is Pugsley. All right, maybe not. Maybe I’ll skip that. So what’s on our agenda today, Greg? Should we talk about the Consumer Electronics Show?

[00:03:47] Craig Syverson
Yes. In you went there? I went to Macworld, of course. Oh, well, that you and Jeff were at Le Web. But we’ve already covered that, right?

[00:03:55] David Hornik
Yes. Oh, yes. But I should say this. Jeff wasn’t just at Le Web. Jeff was Leweb for day two. You were the hostess with the mostest for the.

[00:04:06] Jeff Clavier
I had no choice. Wasn’t was interesting. So Luik is very dear friend of mine and so I always go to the web have spoken to all the additions and because of the fact that we had the political agenda essentially being inserted in our program and those guys needed some attention, the organizer LOIC essentially run out to deal with that and said, mike, program your conference.

[00:04:36] Craig Syverson
Bye.

[00:04:38] David Hornik
Well, it was pretty good though. I mean. Yeah, that is true and again, thank you. But it was. It was good get to see you duking it out without any preparation and went well, I think, don’t you?

[00:04:52] Jeff Clavier
Well, all in all, I was actually pretty happy with the way. So in terms of avoiding too much damages, I think that the content was mostly here, despite what many people have been saying. All the people were supposed to speak, spoke. Maybe sometime they were a bit cut back in terms of time, but everybody in the program got to speak and all. You know, I think it Was it was good quality content. Some people like the sessions. Some people found that because they were short, people didn’t have time to get into a lot of detail on the different topics. But you want. If you wanted a broad brush of a number of topics and then have a chance to hang out with those experts, that was perfect.

[00:05:33] David Hornik
Which is. I mean, frankly, that. That’s a pretty good thing. That’s enough. I mean, that’s. Yeah, that’s, frankly, Web 2.0. That’s, you know, slay Web. That was good.

[00:05:42] Jeff Clavier
I don’t know what you thought about the difference between the Web and Web 2.0 in terms of quality of content, but it was basically the same. What we were at web 2.04 was hanging out outside with all the great people who attended the conference. And it’s always the case we spend more time hanging out outside than inside. This time I spent like an hour and a half in the room at Webtool.

[00:06:08] David Hornik
Yeah. Which was an hour and a half more than I did. I mean, which is unbelievable, but absolutely true.

[00:06:13] Jeff Clavier
And you didn’t spend time at all.

[00:06:14] David Hornik
I literally. I walked in at one point, was gonna sit in. In a session, someone called my cell phone. I walked out to answer the phone, and that was literally the full extent of the time I was in the conference room. But I. But it was a fantastic conference, and I met and I talked with a bunch of people about interesting stuff. And so. That’s great. That’s great. Now, I could have done that without paying the $4,000 or whatever it was, but, you know, I needed a name tag.

[00:06:40] Jeff Clavier
Who would know you need a name. You don’t need a name tag. Everybody knows you. But I sort of thought the same thing. But there were a couple of, you know, cocktail parties and lunches where you wouldn’t. You would have been sort of taken away or sort of, you know, pushed back. Because this year, they paid a lot of attention to that last year because people were just, like, hiking the conference and attending everything without name tags or whatever. That was almost ridiculous.

[00:07:08] David Hornik
Yeah. No, this year.

[00:07:09] Jeff Clavier
This year they paid great attention. And anybody who didn’t have the name tag, you know, out was sort of, you know, rejected.

[00:07:16] David Hornik
Well, it drove up the black market on the. On the name tags, which was nice.

[00:07:19] Craig Syverson
Yeah. I tried to buy one without luck.

[00:07:21] David Hornik
No.

[00:07:22] Craig Syverson
Because I wanted that free Pepsi, frankly.

[00:07:24] David Hornik
You should have traded sexual favors, and you would have been fine. That’s true. You would have had so tired of doing that. All right. I guess that’s right. You know, all this it does get tiresome.

[00:07:36] Craig Syverson
Yes. Was there a better turnout of American VCs at the Web3 this year than in previous times?

[00:07:43] Jeff Clavier
So there were a few. But really what made a big difference, I think, to the entrepreneurs who were there is the turnout, which was quite massive, of European VCs, where we had easily, you know, 30 to 40 to maybe 50 people from different firms coming from France, obviously, but also from the uk, from Germany, from Italy, from Spain, Israel. From Israel. And really, that was fundamentally a very positive point, because last year, what was really regrettable is that there were like four or five VCs in the room or four or five investors. And, and David and I were two of them already. And that was really appalling. And I sort of wrote about that on my blog, just saying that those guys should definitely move their bums when it comes to trying to meet entrepreneurs where they are, as opposed to waiting for entrepreneurs to come to them in their office.

[00:08:38] David Hornik
And where can we find your blog, Jeff?

[00:08:41] Jeff Clavier
Oh, I don’t blog anymore, so it’s out of interest, but it’s blog.softtechvc S O-F-T-T-C H-VC.com and, and that’s the English one and the French one, which is even less updated than the US One. The English one is Sans Axons. If you speak French, you know how to spell that. That’s of techvisi.com how do you say.in French? It can’t be dot.it’s point.

[00:09:09] David Hornik
All right, thank you. There you go. I’m glad we clarified that. And so now you, sir. Mr. Severson. Yes, Mr. Horner, I can say to you, I thought this was actually astonishing to me. Tuesday in Las Vegas at the Consumer Electronics show, there were, I don’t know, 100, 150,000 people gathered around to look at all of the products by Sony and Nokia and, you know, name all the other places. And the only thing any of us cared about was the iPhone.

[00:09:40] Craig Syverson
Yes, sir.

[00:09:41] David Hornik
It was just astonishing. Now, I believe you said to me that you always go to the keynote. Did you make it?

[00:09:47] Craig Syverson
Yes, I got in. I stood in line with the faithful and I got in the room, but I could not sit because it was too crowded by the time I got the part.

[00:09:55] David Hornik
How early did you get there?

[00:09:56] Craig Syverson
I, I, I got there at 7. So I was sort of a slacker.

[00:09:58] David Hornik
Oh, slacker.

[00:09:59] Craig Syverson
Oh, totally. You didn’t sleep at an a.m. yes, yes, a.m. so I actually got in the room, which was cool, and I went in the back where the Video guys were. So I could.

[00:10:07] David Hornik
Wait, wait. We talked about this, didn’t we? What did I say to you? What did I say to you? I said there’s always some musician. No, no, no. There’s never some musician. Yeah, who was there? John Mayer. Right. And he played.

[00:10:20] Craig Syverson
And he played well.

[00:10:22] David Hornik
All right. That’s all I’m saying.

[00:10:23] Craig Syverson
No, you get dad and your 10 bucks.

[00:10:27] David Hornik
Anyway. But I digress.

[00:10:28] Craig Syverson
But you digress. But yes, I was there. And it was quite a lot of fun. Really was glad I was in the room with, you know, just checking out. The whole. Steve’s whole dramatic timing thing was good.

[00:10:38] David Hornik
He’s a genius.

[00:10:39] Craig Syverson
Yeah. Yeah.

[00:10:40] David Hornik
So were you. Are you completely smitten now?

[00:10:42] Craig Syverson
Completely smitten. And basically I’ve discovered amongst most people there now, that maybe that’s not a great sample, but even since then, something I’m calling the Cupertino syndrome. So it’s the exact opposite of the Stockholm syndrome, where you. You have empathy with your captors. For me, once we have all seen the iPhone, I’ve noticed everyone has this deep penchant to destroy their old phone and to torture it in some way.

[00:11:06] Jeff Clavier
Just to have an excuse. Honey, I really need to. I know it’s just six months old, but.

[00:11:11] Craig Syverson
Yes, I know the belt sander really shouldn’t have been near the phone the way it was that moment. But it happened.

[00:11:17] David Hornik
But see, it’s premature, right? We need to go through all this licensing crap for six months with the.

[00:11:21] Jeff Clavier
FCC and remember that version 1.0.

[00:11:27] David Hornik
Please. Okay, so maybe, you know, you run the wire that powers down the computer over the heat sink or, you know, the battery explodes or something. But other than that, 1.0 is flawless.

[00:11:40] Jeff Clavier
I remember why I don’t have an ipod. I’m not part of the religion.

[00:11:44] David Hornik
You should join the religion. I mean, it’s powerful, powerful stuff.

[00:11:47] Craig Syverson
Join us, Jeff. It’s really nice.

[00:11:50] David Hornik
Over.

[00:11:50] Jeff Clavier
I’ll be French on this one.

[00:11:53] David Hornik
What, the French don’t use ipods? Is that what you’re telling me?

[00:11:56] Jeff Clavier
But we’re different, remember?

[00:11:58] David Hornik
Oh, man.

[00:11:59] Jeff Clavier
No, actually, I’m a one device guy, so when the iPhone is out. Yeah, we’ll see.

[00:12:05] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:12:06] David Hornik
I have a big problem with it, though, I must admit. I mean, I’m. I think it looks beautiful. And it leads to one of my biggest issues with. With the phone networks and the way phones work right now. And I’ll get to that. It doesn’t have a keyboard. And I am. And as. As is, Jeff. I’m sure I send so many emails from my Phone and receiving. Who cares? You can read them. But if you want to reply with anything more than a sort of click, click, click. It really needs a keyboard. So I’m afraid that the iPhone can’t serve as my primary phone.

[00:12:37] Jeff Clavier
But don’t you think that they’re going to come out with a keyboard featured iPhone? Because it makes sense if they want to get into the BlackBerry market, which granted, is more professional, but now many people have it just as their regular phone. It would make sense, and I’m sure that they would come up with a beautiful design and we would go, uh, oh, interesting.

[00:12:57] David Hornik
Well, when they do, I’m done. I’m in. No question.

[00:13:01] Jeff Clavier
But Steve, I’m sure you listen to that podcast, and if you don’t, you should please iPhone with a keyboard.

[00:13:07] David Hornik
Yeah, absolutely. You don’t think that Steve Jobs listens to this podcast?

[00:13:10] Craig Syverson
No, he just said he did. He knows.

[00:13:12] David Hornik
Of course he does. Yes. Which we’ve totally. Which we absolutely appreciate. Yeah. Right. And. And you know, we periodically shamelessly sing the praises of Apple and Apple things so that Steve will continue to listen.

[00:13:25] Craig Syverson
Right, right.

[00:13:26] David Hornik
That seems fair. Wait, so here’s my beef. Why and the planet is it that I can’t buy two phones and have them on the same phone number? Now I know. Now, I guess technically I could get two phones and have a single SIM card and swap it between the two.

[00:13:42] Jeff Clavier
You could.

[00:13:43] David Hornik
So that would be a reasonable solution. Of course, I’m on Sprint, so there’s no SIM card because Sprint’s horrible.

[00:13:49] Craig Syverson
Right.

[00:13:50] David Hornik
Well, putting that aside, why. Why does. It doesn’t make any sense that you can’t have two devices. And then when, when someone calls the number, the two devices ring and the one that’s in your pocket, you use. And so then on the weekend when what I care about is more media than email, I could have a better. A better camera phone, a better experience to capture my kids and, you know, and listen to music, whatever.

[00:14:13] Craig Syverson
I bet you they can do that everywhere else but here.

[00:14:15] David Hornik
Can they do that in France?

[00:14:17] Jeff Clavier
No, not that I’m aware of. Because everybody uses the SIM card. You know, we all, you know, we all have gsm. Obviously we don’t use WCDMA or those kinds of things, but there’s always one identifier for the phone, and it’s a SIM card. And therefore what you do is you take your SIM card out of your business phone and put it into your media phone, or you have something which talks Bluetooth and take pictures or films and then upload through the Bluetooth Connection Fair.

[00:14:50] David Hornik
I don’t want that. That’s what someone said to me about the iPhone. They said, well it’s gonna have built in Bluetooth, WI Fi and Zigbee and whatever the hell has. I have no idea. And get a peripheral keyboard like. Yeah, that’s what I’m gonna do while I’m driving the up to 80 at 90 miles an hour. At 65 miles an hour. You know, I’m gonna read an email and then I’m gonna pull out my little Bluetooth keyboard and I’m gonna grab the wheel with my knees and I’m gonna type.

[00:15:17] Craig Syverson
So you’re saying you’re typing now with your thumb on the keyboard with your BlackBerry or trio.

[00:15:23] David Hornik
Yeah.

[00:15:23] Craig Syverson
Huh.

[00:15:25] Jeff Clavier
Can I just point out that you’re supposed to drive when you’re in the car. Supposed to read your emails if you are actually the one driving.

[00:15:29] Craig Syverson
Thank you sir.

[00:15:31] Jeff Clavier
Just, you know, just.

[00:15:32] David Hornik
What about while you’re just a little safe in the groceries.

[00:15:35] Jeff Clavier
Oh, then that’s fine.

[00:15:36] Craig Syverson
Then you whip out your keyboard.

[00:15:38] David Hornik
Yeah, right in Whole Foods. I’m gonna hang on a second.

[00:15:40] Jeff Clavier
You have very nice, you know, foldable keyboard that you open, you put on your lap.

[00:15:44] David Hornik
Next thing you know I’m gon giant. You know that that giant loser we all fear will become someday with the, the heads up display in my glasses and like the keypad on my leg.

[00:15:53] Craig Syverson
And it’s exactly with. With the soft, soft keypad. When I was at ideo we worked with the company and I’m embarrassed to forget the name of the British company that came with the soft keyboard that Logitech used.

[00:16:04] David Hornik
Right.

[00:16:04] Craig Syverson
You know, but you embed it. You’ll have it embedded in your jacket and it’s Bluetooth to your iPhone and you need to type. You just turn your arm and go away and type away.

[00:16:14] Jeff Clavier
You had that Israeli company that had come up with a laser based virtual keyboard V which is cool.

[00:16:20] David Hornik
Yeah.

[00:16:20] Jeff Clavier
I forget what it was called where you basically have a keyboard which lights up in front of you and which is projected and then there is a couple of laser detector. However it actually engineered it and it just essentially senses that you pressed at the location of an a B note. Super precise. So you have to really go where you’re supposed to, you know, press and kind of works.

[00:16:46] David Hornik
No, it kind of. You’re right, it kind of worked. But touch typists, you know. So the reason the QWERTY keyboard is the way it is for those, you know, this is an important fact for Venture Cast is to. Because it had to slow down the typist because these mechanical typewriters, the mechanical pieces would get caught in each other. So same problem with this laser thing. What they’re going to have to do is come up with an alternative keyboard with different lettering altogether to slow you down even more so that it can.

[00:17:12] Jeff Clavier
Actually, that reminds me, the first Casio, like mini computer, calculator, whatever, which had ABCD as opposed to qwerty.

[00:17:22] David Hornik
Right. Very clever. Well, this actually, you know what it’s reminding me of? I had big issues with WI fi in my hotel in Paris and so I used their kiosk down in the lobby, only it was a French keyboard.

[00:17:36] Jeff Clavier
I was so confused with the Azerd keyboard. Yeah. Once again, you know, they play or we play different. And so we don’t have a QWERTY keyboard, we have an Azardz keyboard. And that’s extremely confusing to anyone who’s used to typing without, you know, looking at the keys because then you end up with as and Q’s being inverted or whatever.

[00:17:59] David Hornik
Sadly, I got kind of used to it, but that was an indication of how many hours I spent in the kiosk doing email. But it was terrible.

[00:18:05] Craig Syverson
But also there’s the technology that IBM developed and I think it was called Shark, which is sort of a gestural thing. So virtual keyboard. And you drag around the letters and based on the patterns and the pauses, it’s really. I’ve seen the demos. It’s really quite stunning. So it’s perfect, I think, for the iPhone in that you could, you know, to type the. You just go. You tap on T and you roll over H and E and let go. And the algorithms figure out that sort of movement represents the. In this keyboard. It’s pretty cool.

[00:18:36] David Hornik
I mean, it sounds a little bit like, like graffiti. Yeah.

[00:18:41] Craig Syverson
But this is with a keyboard, so you’re actually.

[00:18:43] Jeff Clavier
I will stick to my foldable, you know. Foldable.

[00:18:46] Craig Syverson
Yep.

[00:18:47] David Hornik
I like that design. I like the slide out keyboard. And they could do that on the, on the iPhone.

[00:18:51] Jeff Clavier
They could.

[00:18:52] David Hornik
Absolutely. Plenty of space, you know, so it’s too. It’s so thin right now. So, you know, you double the thickness and put in a keyboard, it’ll still be thinner.

[00:19:00] Jeff Clavier
Yeah, it’s basically thin as, as the, the screen part of that phone. I’m. I’m holding my. What is it? A singular 8125. And it’s bulky on the back because there is the keyboard, but most importantly the camera. And the camera takes up quite a bit of space.

[00:19:13] David Hornik
Yeah, well, and the battery, you know what we’ve been, we’ve been looking at battery. A battery technology that’s very exciting, I must say. You know why? Because it will make it much smaller, much thinner.

[00:19:26] Jeff Clavier
This is the great thing about fuel cell based or.

[00:19:31] David Hornik
Can’t really say. Can’t really say.

[00:19:33] Craig Syverson
But invest in butane.

[00:19:34] David Hornik
Yeah, yeah, butane, right. You power it up, it’ll actually drive your moped, which is nice.

[00:19:41] Craig Syverson
And light your cigarette.

[00:19:42] David Hornik
No, it’s pretty cool to be in a partnership where I’m investing in software across the board, but my partners are investing in fuel cells and hardware and chips. And so I get to see all sorts of cool things that I understand in varying degrees. And, and you know, the sign of a truly great entrepreneur is when the really insanely tricky things, you feel like you have some clue how they work, then you say, wow, that man, that guy was smart.

[00:20:08] Craig Syverson
I heard about a technology today and it’s a new lithium ion technology that’s using nano technology and it charges up super fast. And Phoenix Motor company is using it in their electric car.

[00:20:21] David Hornik
Interesting.

[00:20:22] Craig Syverson
I heard about it on a podtech show.

[00:20:24] David Hornik
Well, I can say, you know, this, this charging fast thing is great and important, but it turns out that the problem with charging fast is that by being able to transfer that much energy in and out of the fuel cell that quickly, more prone to explosion.

[00:20:37] Craig Syverson
Right.

[00:20:37] David Hornik
So that’s minor, minor issue.

[00:20:40] Craig Syverson
They did solve it.

[00:20:41] David Hornik
Yeah.

[00:20:42] Craig Syverson
Again, can’t remember the name of the company, but.

[00:20:45] David Hornik
So speaking of podtech. Yes, sir, I, while I was at.

[00:20:48] Craig Syverson
Oh yes, I heard about their room.

[00:20:50] David Hornik
The room. Yes. I was at the Consumer Electronics show, also known as ces. I went to the podtech blog house.

[00:20:58] Craig Syverson
House.

[00:20:59] Jeff Clavier
House, yes.

[00:20:59] David Hornik
Which was, which I thought was interesting. You know, here’s the like blog house. They’re gathering of, of of geeky bloggers and they had it. The Bellagio. Pretty upscale, frankly. They had these, these lovely pastries that sort of rolled into the blog house or out one in the morning every morning. And you know, I’ll have a tartlet, thank you. And then they had a bunch of, you know. But what they had was massive bandwidth.

[00:21:23] Craig Syverson
Yes.

[00:21:23] David Hornik
And a big suite with some dedicated lines and some. And then one room had some, some, you know, like the Xbox and the PlayStation 3. Although I will say this, there was surprisingly little video game playing going on. It was sort of lame, frankly. The. They didn’t have a Wii. I think if there had been a Wii, maybe we would have done a lot more video game playing. But it was interesting. So the Pod tech guys were doing A whole bunch of video casting. And then they had lots of people coming and going. You know, it was fun. It was sponsored by the folks at Seagate, which obviously August were investors in. So that’s very nice. Bill Watkins, the CEO of Seagate, actually came by the blog house, which is really cool. Don’t you think that’s interesting. Like, you know, Watkins will come by. What are you crazy bloggers doing? I’m trying to build billions of dollars worth of storage and you’re here tapping away. But it was great. It was. It was fun to be there.

[00:22:17] Craig Syverson
I heard lots of good things about it.

[00:22:19] David Hornik
Yeah, but here’s the thing. Basically the word in the blog house was that this audio podcast thing is just history. Like, you know that it’s time for the video podcast. So we need to take VentureCast video. What do you think of that?

[00:22:34] Craig Syverson
Well, I mean, I can do it. I mean, it’s not so hard, but I disagree.

[00:22:39] David Hornik
You disagree?

[00:22:40] Craig Syverson
I think there’s room for everyone and it’s a totally different world. It’s not there. I don’t think they can be compared at all. It’s still just about media and it’s still just about the context of your listening. And audio is great for the car, it’s great for working out. And, you know, huge numbers of people consume media whilst driving.

[00:22:59] David Hornik
That’s true.

[00:23:00] Craig Syverson
And I just don’t think video, you know, is all that. Now, certain video things you can listen to. Like, I can. I find I can listen to the TED conference video podcast while in the car without seeing them, and that works. But I think for certain things, it’s really just not always necessary.

[00:23:16] Jeff Clavier
There are a few of the. The sessions at TED where you wish they were actually, you know, being played as opposed to just being recorded, because the video or the image side of things, viewing this as opposed to hearing it would have been interesting for myself. Thinking what a few video bloggers do is they edit out or extract the audio portion and release it as a separate podcast, which means that you can actually have both, if, depending as to whether you want to listen or watch, you have the choice. The issue is that if you do a lot of editing, which seems to be your case, given the quality of the sound we get.

[00:23:59] David Hornik
I thought you were going to say, given the quality of our program thus far, good thing we edit a great deal.

[00:24:04] Jeff Clavier
No, no, but it’s sort of tricky to do that in the video world. And I think that the barrier to quality is much higher in the video world because you can do okay podcast by not really working or it’s. It a lot. A bad video that you don’t edit is pretty horrible.

[00:24:20] Craig Syverson
Yes. It’s more than 10x the amount of work. And for shows like Dignation that you mentioned, which do both video and audio from a video shoot point of view, it’s a great format because it’s a fixed camera and nothing else happens. So it sort of works in that way. And it’s always the two guys sitting on the couch, so.

[00:24:36] Jeff Clavier
And they never edit out anything anyway.

[00:24:38] Craig Syverson
Right. So I’ve actually never. I mean, I rarely watch the video of dignation, but I’m a regular.

[00:24:44] David Hornik
Well, that’s because you don’t think that, you know, you have to see that sexy Kevin Rose, but that’s where I. I do I need to see him.

[00:24:52] Jeff Clavier
Yeah, no, actually only I. I’m definitely with you on the, on the. Listening in the car, and so I just don’t have the time in my day to watch videos.

[00:25:04] Craig Syverson
Right, exactly.

[00:25:05] David Hornik
Because it’s a.

[00:25:05] Craig Syverson
It’s a much more of an absorption of your attention, which we all know is, you know, is the new currency. But also the whole idea with podcasts is most of them do call in. You know, not all of them are live like this. So obviously in call in. That doesn’t make for a very compelling video. Here’s a picture of the phone. And I also think I’m very excited about the extended podcast that’s available on the AAC format that Apple has, where we can add, like I do on venturecast, where I add chapter marks, which we finally told people about last week.

[00:25:36] David Hornik
Right.

[00:25:36] Craig Syverson
But you can also include images and hyperlinks in that. And I find that experience really, really interesting. And as a producer, I find making extended podcasts, obviously, hugely easier than video. And I can still have.

[00:25:50] David Hornik
And you’re a video and you’re a video expert. I mean, imagine for those of us who are just, you know, neophytes, forget about it. Right.

[00:25:57] Craig Syverson
Yeah. But the nice thing with the extended podcast is that you can load up these images and you could really do. I could do quite a bit of video grunt using extended podcasts. I could probably have, I would think, 70% of the effectiveness with an extended podcast because of the format of videogrunt, where it’s. It’s very much about art and stuff, but it’s also about movements.

[00:26:18] David Hornik
Right.

[00:26:19] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:26:20] David Hornik
So now, while we’re on video, I. I need to shamelessly plug my son’s video. Have I sent you a link? No. To Julian’s new music video. Well, man, oh, man, So I came, I come downstairs the other morning on the weekend and my. And my 11 year old daddy gotta listen to this song. It’s my best pop song ever. Oh, man. Gotta listen to that. So I listened to it and you know, he uses GarageBand, so he’d recorded all the parts, written it, and like recorded all the vocal parts over it, over themselves. And. And I said, wow, that is. That’s an awesome pop song. So you should make the video. Which he. So he then recruited my brother, his uncle Josh, to be his cameraman to take a bunch of shots and then try and lip sync to his own song. And cut. And cut the. Cut the video on Imovie, which is also awesome. Right. And so, so he has his video for his movie, who know, his video for his song called Change. And so I put it on YouTube. So you can go to YouTube. If you search for Julian Hornick on, on YouTube, you can check it out. It’s in. It’s awesome. People gotta check it out.

[00:27:24] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:27:26] David Hornik
Shameless father. I know. I can’t help myself.

[00:27:28] Craig Syverson
It’s okay. It’s all right. This is, this is.

[00:27:30] David Hornik
Don’t edit that, Craig.

[00:27:32] Craig Syverson
I won’t. Have I. Have I ever edited nice things about you?

[00:27:36] David Hornik
Have you ever. You know, I’m surprised.

[00:27:39] Jeff Clavier
Put it in the show notes. Exactly. Put the link in the show notes and people can click to it.

[00:27:43] David Hornik
Ah, there you go.

[00:27:43] Craig Syverson
Show notes. That’s the other thing we don’t do.

[00:27:46] David Hornik
Oh, well, no, just. We have a little. Just put just a little quick thing in the front.

[00:27:50] Craig Syverson
We have. Yeah, and.

[00:27:51] David Hornik
Yeah, that’s right. You can do that. David Hornik talked about shamelessly plugged his son’s new musical, new video, Shameless.

[00:27:58] Jeff Clavier
It’s a father thing.

[00:27:59] David Hornik
That’s right. Exactly. That’s right. We’re all fathers. We can understand.

[00:28:02] Craig Syverson
Indeed.

[00:28:03] David Hornik
Absolutely.

[00:28:04] Craig Syverson
So what. What happened to ces? Besides Apple?

[00:28:08] Jeff Clavier
So was it. Besides the fact that everybody, you know, so most of the people who went just told me that there was nothing new, nothing interesting, and it was a big waste of time. Is that what you thought after spending, what, a day or two days of it?

[00:28:21] David Hornik
I was there for three to two days. So I think there was one thing that was quite interesting. It is true that most of the stuff was just the same old incremental idiocy. So the biggest, you know, LCD screen, which is now 108 inches vertical, as opposed to the 103 inch plasma or whatever, who cares? And those of you who are listening who’ve already read my venture blog post, you can now fast forward, because the thing that I thought was really interesting was this was wireless video that several companies were showing these connectors that would allow you to put an antenna on the back of your plasma and then put the transmitter 30, 50ft away in a closet with your cable box and boom, you’re done wiring your tv. And that once that’s built into televisions, which I’m absolutely convinced it will be in, you know, whether it’s next year or whatever. I mean, think about it. We, those of us who’ve gotten these flat screen TVs, then you, oh, what do I do? Should I attach to the wall? Then you have to cut holes in your wall. And all this business, right.

[00:29:20] Craig Syverson
It’s all about the cables.

[00:29:21] David Hornik
And now, now the only, the only thing that’s missing is wireless power. So you still have to. But luckily there are plugs in most places. You can put in a plug, whatever, but just the idea that you can slap it on the wall and boom. And then if you swap out your, your DVD player or whatever, it’s done. It’s all just back in the closet. So I think that’s going to be really interesting.

[00:29:40] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:29:41] Jeff Clavier
So what protocol do they use? WI Fi or is that something special?

[00:29:45] David Hornik
There are a number of different protocols. The only one that I can say with any certainty, I guess, is that one of our portfolio companies, a company called T0, is using Ultra wideband. And so they’re creating the chipset that will allow UWB transmission and, and you can see HD quality video in real time over, I don’t know, 30ft or something. And it was just, it was, Audiovox was showing a device with it. It was just spectacular. So I’m really psyched actually, because I have truly not right now. I have a flat panel TV that’s on a stand on a table in my bedroom, which is almost like sacrilegious.

[00:30:19] Craig Syverson
Yeah, likewise, We’ve got the 17km of wire bundling around.

[00:30:25] David Hornik
Yeah, exactly. Do you get yelled at by your wife about this?

[00:30:28] Craig Syverson
Yes. So I’ve, I have, I have harvested some of the wires off.

[00:30:32] David Hornik
Yes. I use those little twisty ties to try and attach them to each other to give the appearance of a single fat wire as opposed to 7,000.

[00:30:40] Craig Syverson
How’s that working out for you?

[00:30:41] David Hornik
Not so much. Not so much. And then God forbid, you have to switch something.

[00:30:44] Craig Syverson
Yes.

[00:30:44] Jeff Clavier
So the solution is basically you redecorate your entire living room so that you can bring down the walls, put kilometers of wires, put back the walls, and then you have just One plug. Yes, that’s what we did at home.

[00:30:58] David Hornik
That is the Silicon Valley solution. Welcome to the Bay Area solution.

[00:31:04] Jeff Clavier
Solution.

[00:31:05] David Hornik
But actually there was this. There was a high end audio integrator that was that. We were looking around his thing and my apologies to him because I can’t remember the name of the thing, but they showed the room of one ultra rich guy who had built this stuff in. And so it was literally tapestries had been built over screens and. And you know, speakers, huge, monstrous speaker rays had been built into pillars. And it was very impressive. I can’t even imagine how many tens, if not hundreds, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars went into that. But you did. But if you walked in the room, you had no idea that was any entertainment system in the entire room. And then. But in fact it was, you know, there.

[00:31:46] Jeff Clavier
And that was a TV room, essentially.

[00:31:49] David Hornik
So, you know, someday I will not do that because that is silly.

[00:31:52] Craig Syverson
Right. Apple’s taking a little step towards that with the Apple tv which was the other.

[00:31:57] David Hornik
So what do you think you saw? Was that one actually seeable? Could you touch that one?

[00:32:01] Craig Syverson
They had it on the floor. They had production units out. And so I’m a big fan of no wires or at least, you know, decluttering the living room. And one nice thing is the power supply was built into the unit unit. So it’s just a regular old plug and not a wart to deal with. And they’re using 802 11n so that your Mac can communicate with this box which is then could be wired into the high def television with one HDMI cable.

[00:32:23] David Hornik
Did I read correctly that you have to pay 2 bucks to upgrade your existing machines that don’t have the 802 11n software in them? Two bucks, they said, well, you have to pay a buck 99 to upgrade your. Maybe I. Maybe I was dreaming.

[00:32:38] Craig Syverson
I have not heard.

[00:32:39] David Hornik
I must have been. It must have been my crystal meth addiction again.

[00:32:41] Craig Syverson
Oh, yeah. Dave, we really got to talk about.

[00:32:43] David Hornik
All right, okay.

[00:32:44] Craig Syverson
Offline.

[00:32:45] David Hornik
All right.

[00:32:45] Craig Syverson
But to my knowledge, I don’t know if it’s actually activated yet or is the spec even.

[00:32:49] David Hornik
That’s the thing. Apparently, you know, the radios can do n. Yeah. So it’s pre N. And you know, but I swear I was reading somewhere that you. That they were going to release a patch but you had to pay a buck 99.

[00:33:03] Craig Syverson
I have.

[00:33:03] David Hornik
Which struck me as completely absurd.

[00:33:05] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:33:06] Jeff Clavier
But anyway, again, the cost of collecting the 1 buck 19. Exactly. Just doesn’t make any sense. All right, but so is that $199.

[00:33:14] David Hornik
Maybe buck nine to you because it said it wasn’t. Not $5, a dollar 99 maybe it’s iTunes dollars. You know, you go, you buy yourself a couple songs, you buy yourself access to end.

[00:33:27] Craig Syverson
Yeah. Firmware upgrade game.

[00:33:29] David Hornik
I don’t know.

[00:33:30] Craig Syverson
I like the Apple TV in general. I like the idea of it. I like the wireless transmission from your Mac to the screen. Being a Mac only media consumer at the house where we have to wire up our machine every time we want to watch something because we only get our stuff from itunes. Literally.

[00:33:45] David Hornik
Really.

[00:33:45] Craig Syverson
Or the occasional pre recorded DVD which is this sort of plastic disc thing from the past.

[00:33:51] David Hornik
I’ve heard of those.

[00:33:52] Craig Syverson
Yes. But right now it’s the DVI cable and the audio cable and the, you know, the screen splitting and it takes a while.

[00:33:58] David Hornik
So I, you’re. You’re a geek.

[00:34:02] Craig Syverson
So I can see this is great. Where it’s already hooked up and I can just tune in literally with itunes. And the other thing that I took away from the show is that itunes is, it’s kind of system 11 is what I’m calling it.

[00:34:13] David Hornik
Darn.

[00:34:14] Craig Syverson
Because everything’s going certainly the hub, but everything’s going in your iPhone, your Apple TV, they’re all building it around the platform of itunes being. Being this rather centralized hub thing.

[00:34:25] David Hornik
So I think that’s where we’re marching, right. I mean you’ve got Apple that’s trying to make itunes the media hub and then you’ve got the Microsoft guys that have the Windows home media edition which is going to be. And Apple has the new Apple ITV or whatever they’re calling it. And Microsoft has built the connector stuff into the Xbox 360. So I think it’s smart because ultimately you, you want all this stuff unified. You don’t want to deal with the hemming and hawing of all these other devices. And so when I can get my Apple TV right. Get the actual TV with the display and it’s built in, wouldn’t you buy one of those?

[00:35:05] Craig Syverson
Oh, I see.

[00:35:06] David Hornik
With the display, you know, just imagine like the tip, these beautiful big screen displays that you can get from Apple. Instead it’s the television and it has the tuner but. And it has all the infrastructure for the ITV built in and sure it would be fantastic and I suspect to be just great looking.

[00:35:24] Jeff Clavier
I moved closer to, to Apple when I bought a. One of those 24 inch iMacs.

[00:35:31] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:35:31] Jeff Clavier
To. To my wife who was doing video editing. So I bought the high end video card or whatever that’s a good machine and it is a beautiful machine. And our son has basically hijacked it for his games.

[00:35:43] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:35:43] Jeff Clavier
Because the resolution and the quality of the games is just fantastic.

[00:35:48] David Hornik
Yeah, exactly. That’s exactly right. You know what’s interesting? So one of the things when you go to ces, one of the things that is fun to watch is the choice of video content that people are showing to try and demonstrate their screens.

[00:36:00] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:36:00] David Hornik
And easily the best stuff is either digital animation or video games. If you’re showing some video, you know, some even it’s an HD DVD of, you know, the hot air balloons or this fish swimming.

[00:36:14] Craig Syverson
Right.

[00:36:16] David Hornik
Forget about it.

[00:36:16] Craig Syverson
Right.

[00:36:17] David Hornik
Go get a Pixar movie. You want to see how see these screens pop? Go get a Pixar movie that is in, you know, just perfect color. The, the lines are perfectly crisp. I mean, it’s just unbelievable. So. Yep. I think that we should replace all of our screens with, with Max and slowly. We’re doing that slowly but surely. Except you, Jeff.

[00:36:39] Jeff Clavier
Well, you know, getting essentially the kids, now that they’ve seen, you know, we have three Macs at home already.

[00:36:46] David Hornik
All right.

[00:36:47] Jeff Clavier
But we still have more PCs. Yeah, we have four PCs. So it’s getting close. And they both said we made the mistake to bring them to the Apple Store one day because I had to swing by. So.

[00:36:59] David Hornik
Yes.

[00:37:00] Jeff Clavier
And they got stuck in front of the door small, you know. Was it called the MacBook? The MacBook, yeah. And my daughter, who’s five and a half, said, you know, the problem with the PC is that at school we have a Mac. So if I could get that one, the white one, that would be great because I could have the same machine as the one I have at school. So if I have. And I want a MacBook. Yeah, see, well, she has a, she has a ThinkPad. So I said, humor.

[00:37:28] Craig Syverson
Sorry.

[00:37:28] David Hornik
No, see, we’re all, we’re an all Mac family. But it’s sort of like, you know, every time I get a new Mac, then the others get, get pushed down the down. So my, you know, my five year old downstream G3 got this titanium. It’s really too slow for me, Daddy, why can’t I have a little speed? Why? What? A dual processor?

[00:37:49] Jeff Clavier
Yeah.

[00:37:50] David Hornik
My children, oh, my five year old whining, whining about his video car. His dual processor. Excuse me.

[00:37:59] Jeff Clavier
We have the same where because I broke my PowerBook, I bought the new one which is much faster and crispier and everything. And my son started looking at it and one day just, you know, took it you know, to play and get it. This is a very good machine. When did you buy a new one so I can get it? So same concept.

[00:38:20] David Hornik
Yes, exactly.

[00:38:20] Jeff Clavier
Tricking down.

[00:38:21] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:38:22] David Hornik
That is. It’s trickle down economics right there. Trickle down Apple economics in the land of Silicon Valley.

[00:38:29] Craig Syverson
I heard about some. You guys are going to have to help me. The. Some social media company. Pixo.

[00:38:35] Jeff Clavier
Pixo, yeah.

[00:38:36] Craig Syverson
Pixo had a third round funding or something big happened this week with them.

[00:38:40] David Hornik
They did. They just raised a bunch more money. Although from whom?

[00:38:42] Jeff Clavier
It’s 11 million. And is it USV? I think they were very nice.

[00:38:49] David Hornik
Very nice. Yes. Yep. So Pixo. Pixo is doing very well, actually. They’re.

[00:38:53] Craig Syverson
Tell me about them because I’m curious.

[00:38:54] David Hornik
It’s. It’s a social network. It’s competing for sort of young and safe.

[00:38:58] Craig Syverson
Okay.

[00:38:59] David Hornik
So. And growing quite quickly. Large. Large populations in the uk, I believe. But very interesting being run by a guy named Jeremy vrba. He ran E. The early entertainment television online site. And just, you know, sort of a new media veteran who’s in. Just doing great stuff. And of course the Pixo is using Video Egg for their video. So I love them. Big fan. And see, just giving me a look. He doesn’t understand. I must plug at least one or two of my companies every podcast.

[00:39:33] Jeff Clavier
I am. I am not. I completely understand and I’m just laughing.

[00:39:38] David Hornik
All right.

[00:39:39] Jeff Clavier
It was very well done.

[00:39:40] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:39:40] Jeff Clavier
And Video is open to serve the videos for that great site that.

[00:39:43] David Hornik
Exactly.

[00:39:44] Jeff Clavier
Thank you, Craig, for mentioning.

[00:39:45] Craig Syverson
Yeah, we script this ahead of time.

[00:39:46] Jeff Clavier
Yeah, we love Video Egg those. So partners with Dockster.

[00:39:49] David Hornik
Absolutely.

[00:39:50] Jeff Clavier
And so, you know, see, and I didn’t even.

[00:39:52] David Hornik
And I didn’t even force you to say that.

[00:39:54] Jeff Clavier
No, no.

[00:39:55] Craig Syverson
I mean it has a 50 bill on the table.

[00:39:57] Jeff Clavier
I really like Mads.

[00:39:58] David Hornik
I’ll tell you what, Craig, when you pay me my $10 from the bet, give it to Klevian.

[00:40:03] Craig Syverson
Okay.

[00:40:05] David Hornik
That was.

[00:40:05] Craig Syverson
That was worth.

[00:40:06] Jeff Clavier
And you know, the last one is that they’re going to turn on very soon. The video advertising from Brightwell.

[00:40:12] David Hornik
Is that right? Yep. All right.

[00:40:13] Jeff Clavier
Which I’m very pleased with.

[00:40:14] Craig Syverson
Yes.

[00:40:15] Jeff Clavier
This is one of my.

[00:40:16] David Hornik
One of your companies.

[00:40:18] Craig Syverson
Are they U.S. company Brightwell?

[00:40:20] Jeff Clavier
Yes. Yeah. Except for two companies, my entire portfolio is in the U.S. i don’t work with French entrepreneurs.

[00:40:29] David Hornik
Except for Tariq.

[00:40:31] Jeff Clavier
Except for Tariq and Pierre Shapaz. Yes.

[00:40:33] Craig Syverson
Right.

[00:40:34] David Hornik
All right. So he doesn’t. Unless of course, they’re those two.

[00:40:37] Craig Syverson
Yeah.

[00:40:38] David Hornik
Yep. Any other financings? I don’t know it’s new. It’s beginning of the year. I think things are cooking. I think we’ll see new, interesting stuff.

[00:40:44] Jeff Clavier
What did. The other one, which I took note of, is amiibo. That raised $9 million from DFJ with, obviously, participation from Sequoia. So Tim Draper joining is joining the board, which should make very entertaining board meetings.

[00:41:02] David Hornik
Who is it? Is it Roloff? I guess it’s rule off. Get the two of them in the room. That’ll be interesting. See if Tim. Does Tim sing at board meetings? I haven’t ever heard.

[00:41:13] Jeff Clavier
I don’t know that.

[00:41:14] David Hornik
All right, well, we will try. Before the next Venture cast, we will try and determine if Tim Draper sings aboard.

[00:41:23] Jeff Clavier
I know two or three entrepreneurs who have him on his. Bored.

[00:41:24] David Hornik
I don’t find out for us. I don’t. I do sing a bit. Yeah.

[00:41:30] Craig Syverson
Here it comes. I knew that occasionally. That was another segue.

[00:41:32] David Hornik
No, it was. I wasn’t going to sing. You were setting yourself up. I was. Are we out of time?

[00:41:37] Craig Syverson
We’re out of. Oh, shuck.

[00:41:38] David Hornik
Oh, I was just getting. I was just getting for you people. Well, next time, you promise.

[00:41:48] Jeff Clavier
I don’t remember having heard this very original Venture Cast sort of jingle that you use for the first or second edition.

[00:41:57] David Hornik
It’s been there occasionally, but for what it’s worth, it’s welcome to Venture Cast. All right, so I did have to.

[00:42:04] Jeff Clavier
Sing we got it.

[00:42:06] Craig Syverson
Phew. That was difficult work.

[00:42:07] David Hornik
All right, all right.

[00:42:09] Craig Syverson
Next time, we are at Demo.

[00:42:11] David Hornik
Oh, that’s great. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[00:42:13] Craig Syverson
Two weeks from now.

[00:42:13] David Hornik
So we’re taking a road trip.

[00:42:15] Craig Syverson
Yep.

[00:42:15] David Hornik
And we’re gonna. We’re gonna catch up with people at Demo. See, that’ll be festive.

[00:42:19] Craig Syverson
Yes. And I’m gonna do a little plug for our show, too.

[00:42:23] David Hornik
All right.

[00:42:23] Craig Syverson
That go to Dig under Podcasts and Dig Venture Cast for us just for laughs.

[00:42:29] David Hornik
Oh, I thought you were talking about your show.

[00:42:30] Craig Syverson
No, no.

[00:42:31] David Hornik
You got other shows.

[00:42:32] Craig Syverson
I got other shows.

[00:42:32] David Hornik
Oh, so you want people to dig us our show?

[00:42:34] Craig Syverson
Yes, because I was actually checking out the podcast section of Dig today and thought it was pretty cool.

[00:42:39] David Hornik
And we’re under Doug.

[00:42:41] Craig Syverson
We’re actually there, though, which is actually pretty neat.

[00:42:43] David Hornik
All right.

[00:42:44] Craig Syverson
We have seven or so, you know.

[00:42:45] David Hornik
Oh, hey, hey.

[00:42:46] Craig Syverson
Indignation only has 4800. But you know what? We’re going to catch up.

[00:42:49] David Hornik
Come on.

[00:42:50] Craig Syverson
I mean, we’re. Because, you know, I mean, we’re too.

[00:42:52] David Hornik
Sexy for our shirt. Too sexy for. All right, See? Twice. Two singing two songs.

[00:42:58] Jeff Clavier
So that shows one limitation of the you know, audio to text sort of linkage where you should be able to. Because we’ve mentioned Kevin Rose. Hey, Kevin. Good to see you. Kevin should be able to know that we mentioned his name. Listen to the show where we mentioned his name and then Dig it. I don’t have that link.

[00:43:20] David Hornik
I agree with that. Because I bet, you know, I’m going to admit something here. I know you’re trying to finish this show, but there’ll be none of that yet. Because first I have to admit that I do have an RSS feed for David Hornik. Every time David Hornik is mentioned in the.

[00:43:32] Jeff Clavier
You have only one.

[00:43:34] David Hornik
I’m just saying I’m sure that you.

[00:43:35] Jeff Clavier
Have like one Google News, one Technority, one whatever. So that.

[00:43:38] David Hornik
Actually, I really don’t. I should do that, but I don’t. I only have my blog lines. I have one for August Capital, one for David Hornik, one for Venture Blog. I don’t have one for VentureCast, which is shameful. I have to add one for VentureCast and then one for each of my portfolio companies.

[00:43:56] Jeff Clavier
Same here.

[00:43:57] David Hornik
Do you have the same?

[00:43:57] Jeff Clavier
Except that I think I have Jeff Clavier on each and every of the sources just to make sure that’s right. No, because Google. Google News, interestingly, just does contain articles from the mainstream press that you don’t find systematically in Bloglines or Technoratti.

[00:44:15] David Hornik
All right, I’ll have to fix that. But in any event, you’re right. Until we do speech to text and have that out there, you wouldn’t pick it up.

[00:44:22] Jeff Clavier
Yeah, there’s a couple of companies that have sort of very preliminary solutions like Blogdigger, I think.

[00:44:28] David Hornik
Yeah. There are a few out there. It’s.

[00:44:30] Jeff Clavier
But it’s not great. It doesn’t really work.

[00:44:33] David Hornik
Well, I’ll tell you what. In the brief description or something.

[00:44:37] Craig Syverson
Yeah. In the metadata tags, we can suck it to.

[00:44:40] David Hornik
Kevin mentioned Kevin and Dig.

[00:44:42] Jeff Clavier
And if one of our listeners has a solution for that, how to do the EGO feed on the podcast. Email us.

[00:44:52] David Hornik
Yeah, we need to know. Right. Because frankly, if we don’t know everybody who’s talking about us, how can we live? Can’t live again.

[00:44:59] Craig Syverson
Right? Because you never know what they’re saying, how they feel.

[00:45:02] David Hornik
Exactly.

[00:45:02] Craig Syverson
Yes.

[00:45:03] Jeff Clavier
See, that’s why you want to extract yourself from the blogs. You’ll feel better afterwards, trust me.

[00:45:10] David Hornik
I can’t.

[00:45:11] Jeff Clavier
You can. You just have to want it.

[00:45:15] Craig Syverson
I think it’s been lovely having you here, Jeff. Thank you. It’s been really fun.

[00:45:19] Jeff Clavier
It was a real pleasure and I really thank you for having me and.

[00:45:22] Craig Syverson
Being our first live guest. Very cool. Thanks to Cash Fly for the bandwidth for the show and we’ll see you in a couple weeks in Palm Springs, baby.

[00:45:32] David Hornik
Wow. That’ll be spectacular. Luckily, it won’t be a video cast, so you won’t have to see us in our. In our bathing suits.

[00:45:38] Jeff Clavier
Well, now I remember that there might be good reason for me to actually swing by Palm Springs. There is somewhere at the same time a spectacular wine tasting dinner that I’ve been told about.

[00:45:49] David Hornik
Oh, really?

[00:45:50] Jeff Clavier
That someone said you might want to think about coming anywhere. All right, so I’ll see.

[00:45:56] David Hornik
We may have Jeff back next week. And until then, thank you for listening.

[00:46:01] Craig Syverson
Thank you.

[00:46:06] Jeff Clavier
Common stock investments have helped to make our country prosperous and powerful. Owning a share in American industry is like own owning a share in the future of our nation.

[00:46:17] Craig Syverson
But remember, John Q. There is a risk as well as an advantage in owning any kind of property. So get the facts before you put.

[00:46:29] Jeff Clavier
Your money to work.