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Greg Beatty just joined. Used to play in the Miami Dolphins. All right, nice. Did you. Freaking capitalist. You guys just buy your team? How about that, huh? There we go. A former dolphin. He looked somewhat larger than me. It was those fins that gave it away somewhat. Those dorsal fins. That’s right, exactly. So we’ve got. So yeah, this is not. We’re not in the office. Are we on now? You know what’s not surprising, frankly, is that the venture capitalists have brought in a former professional athlete. It figures. You know. You know, that’s sort of a no brainer, frankly. I was gonna say this would have made Adam Smith proud, but yeah, exactly. It’s like, you know what that is? That there is the invisible hand. That is. It’s invisible to you and me. The hand or the greased palm or something. So what are we talking about for our audience who doesn’t happen to. Oh, I’m sorry, it’s not video. No, that’s right. You can’t see the visual. But imagine if you could pict a bunch of orange T shirts. Yeah. Some 50, 60 individuals in orange T shirts. Half the T shirts reading Capital. The other half the T shirts reading labor on the back. Capital T shirt. You are wearing the labor. Absolutely. As it should be. Yes. I’m sorry, what were you gonna say? All of which say, hit me on the back. Hit me. Hit me with a small target on the back. Exactly. We are here at Sky High Park, Trampoline zone in Santa Clara. Exactly. And why are we here, David? This is the first annual labor vs. Capital DoD ball tournament, which is very exciting. I was sitting at breakfast with Hunter Walk, who’s a great guy. He’s over at Google and now doing product at YouTube. And Hunter and I never actually talk about anything rational or normal. And we discussed the idea that it would be fun to have a VC versus entrepreneur dodgeball game. I thought that was the end of it. Next thing you know, Hunter gets his buddy Noah Kagan involved. Noah has a blog called okdork. In fact. Hey, Noah, come on over here. Speak of the devil. This is Noah. So, Noah, tell us this. How did Hunter suck you into labor versus capital dodgeball? Pretty much the minute I read the email, I was like, yeah, it’s game on. There you go. Exactly. It wasn’t much of a sell. So he just emailed you, hey, what do you think? Labor versus capital dodgeball. And you were like, why? What is there to talk about? Basically? I mean, Noah, you get to peg millionaires with the ball. Let me think about that. Yeah, that’d be great. So you want to impress. It’s perfect. I know, but the challenge is like, okay, do I be really rude and kind of like get into the moment or do I’m like, oh, man, you have to work with them in the future. No, just go after them. Just do it. They appreciate that. They have that animal instinct. They smell it. You’re totally right. You know what? Being aggressive. If you were to break my glasses, I’m like, I’m going to find you immediately. Can I do that right now? Hey, you broke my glasses. How much money do you need? I mean, that’s, you know, that would be kind of like that. I like that. Well, I was thinking the next one, Ultimate Cage Fighting. All right, but that might. That might step over the line. Is that too far, do you think? If not that, paintball now. Paintball would be awesome. That would be cool. Should we do that next. Next time? All right, the next one is VC labor. Labor versus capital. Paintball, Mini golf. Paintball mini golf. Go karting. All right, so this is Hunter walk. I was just telling Craig about the advent. The conversation out of all places. Il for IO. I actually think they’re going to kick us out of there next time because we’re not discussing anything that is directly involved. Now that I saw. I’ll tell you what, Dave. I looked and if you saw recently in the Journal, they did the power seating. Power seating for I.O. and I. So I was looking, I was saying, I know we were at an A table and I know it wasn’t me. So it must have been you, Dave. And you felt the power. Well, I did. Anytime I went, Dave, I felt the power. I hear you. I know because I’m a big tipper. I tip five bucks. And he wants you to break his glasses. Right. Buy a coffee, five bucks. I buy a melon, five bucks. That’s the kind of guy your burn rate is just $5 every 15 minutes, no matter what. I’ll give you a five buck tip no matter what. That gets me. The good table. That’s good. That understands why the first time we met, you put $5 in my palm and asked me to park your car. It might actually, the a table thing might have to do with the fact that I eat at of three days a week for the last seven years. Trouble at home. That’s three meals, by the way. That’s just sad. Isn’t that sad? Well, so I’ve been telling people I saying, you know, there’s thankfully been no injuries yet, but if there. If there Is what I’m going to do is I’m going to break a VC’s thumb. So it’s in a thumbs up cast. So all they can do is approve. Excellent. Great. Great. I’m glad that you’ve thought about this. What’s the standing so far? Are you. We’re sort of midway through the tournament. We’re midway through the tournament. We have one team already in the finals. It looks like it’s a back sweat which. That’s my team. What am I doing here? So they’re there. No, no, you’re not playing now. Right now it’s money versus full ratchet. My team is bootstrapping and we were knocked down the first round which proves that bootstrapping only gets you so far. That’s true. That’s right. May it be a lesson to you. And then you got to come to money or if it goes particularly poorly, full ratchet. So it really shouldn’t say champ. It should say liquidity event. Liquidity Horizon. So Dave over here is from Moore Davidow and a sponsor of this event as is Baris. Come on over. Baris. Baris from Conventures. You guys. So now let me you know who is stupid enough to take an email from me and say sure, I’ll expose ourselves to liability. That sounds great. I’ll co sponsor the labor versus capital dodgeball. Did this strike you as a good idea? You know, it’s been surprisingly fun out here. It’s amazing. It’s like the best engine breaker. It’s not another like, oh, let’s get together for drinks and talk about this deal and that deal and you know where we are in the funding process. Like we’re out there hanging out. We’re having fun. It’s pretty cool. I love, I love it. I think everybody should know that you shouldn’t count on anything until money is in the bank. We haven’t paid you anything yet. So wait, you’re on the T shirts but I may not be getting paid. Unbelievable. Fine. I’m going to go and I’m going to get a sharpie. I’m going to cross it out. No more comm ventures on. I thought you were going to have two kinds of balls. The yellow common balls and the red preferred balls. What I saw is that every time the yellow balls finished, the labor team wanted it refreshed and filled up again. What’s with that? Oh man. Unbelievable. That’s a good point. That’s a good point. Now we have someone over here. Thank you gentlemen. Come on over. We haven’t Met before. I’m David Hornik. David Hornik. Yeah. Good to see you. Yeah. How’s it going? So you are the master out there. Well, venture capital’s my second job. And your first job is dodgeball. Kind of showed. And so what firm are you with? Excel. Excel. Awesome. Awesome. Well, it’s a lot of fun. You are spectacular. You, you know, in a sad lot of fat, short, and otherwise pathetic dodgeball players. On the capital side. Capital side. Yes. You are a standout and you deserve. You deserve the individual contributor. We didn’t win, though. No, it doesn’t matter unless you win. And it turns out the bad news is if you don’t win, you don’t get the trouble. You don’t get the trouble. That was a lot of fun. So, all right, well, you know, is your team out? You’re not. Okay. You’re not going against back sweat? We were preferred. Then we recapped ourselves. Oh, you were recapped. The lesson there is, you know, be careful, recap companies when you’re investing. That’s a lesson there. Unbelievable. It’s very fun. Well, cool. And do you have any entrepreneurs running around here? Any guys you’ve worked with before? No, we got them busy working away. We don’t have our entrepreneurs. You don’t let them play dodgeball? Not on a Friday afternoon. Although the Facebook crowd probably pretty good at dodgeball, so they could probably crush us. All right, well, we’ll catch up with them. We’ll see if they want to. I’m going to create an F8, you know, widget to throw on there to recruit them to the next dodgeball game. Exactly. Be good. Back to my day job now. All right, well, enjoy it. Good job. All right, these guys are looking tired. David Shellen, come on over here. He’s all right. Jason Shelling. This is Jason Shellen. He’s wearing the labor. He’s on the good side. Although, you know, last I heard, you know, you weren’t laboring too hard. I thought you were. You were on the vacation team. No, I’m not on the vacation. Not on the vacation team. I’m on the feedburner acquiring team. How about that? I read that. I read that. You read. I love your post. It was sort of like those of you who thought I was just hanging out and, you know. Hanging out in Chicago. No, no, no. Wherever you see me, I’m buying things. No, no, no. We’re. Yeah, we do. We have to do due diligence on these things. We don’t. Well, you know, I’m a huge, huge fan of feedburner, as you well know. And to have Dick Costalo as part of the Google team is to call it a couple, you know, so whatever role you played in that, I must congratulate you. And I’m wondering if you’re scouting any particular investment or acquisition here at the. There are some good players here. Yeah. Labor shirt on. What are you talking about? He’s labor. He’s labor, but he’s, you know, he’s like gentleman with the blonde hair, kind of longish. He seems to be a ball avoider. He seems like a good one to have on your career in a big corporation. That guy will do fine. You know, he’ll just get out of the way. Exactly. Step out of the way. Let people do things. Hey, buddy, you know, what are you in charge of? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I’m not in charge of anything. Who, me? Yeah. All right. Vice president. That’s good. Director. Something like that. So, you know, right over here, these two guys. Yes. Two former students of mine at the business school. Should we. I’m sorry, should we inquire as to. As to how horrible that was? Yes, let’s come. Okay. Hey, guys. Jason Schellen was just curious how. What an awesome teacher I was. No, wait, that wasn’t quite what he asked, David. He asked the honest opinion of what kind of a teacher. What kind of teacher I was. Oh, I’m sorry. I was just. I was just trying to give it some character characterization. Look at their. Their faces other than short. Oh, how tall are you? What are you? I thought Brad Handler did all the teaching. That would be my. My co teacher, Brad Handler, who quite clearly does not do all the teaching. That’s such a shameful. That’s a shameful claim. I think the best part of the class was when I was in your class, David, and you and Sam Yegan yell at each other about the future of copyright and digital music on the Internet. That was kind of a coup. So Sam Yagen at the time was the CEO of E Donkey and I was. I was teaching a class day that I entitled A Brief History of Piracy. And he didn’t take kindly to that. He somehow thought that I was being accusatory and he lashed out at me a touch. It was a great class. It actually made for really interesting. It was really interesting. It was very fun. So now you guys have both made your way into the venture business. Yeah. You corrupted them, don’t you? I mean, you didn’t see. You didn’t like, meet me and think Eve. Also, are you a GS? A recent GS class? And you skipped my class? Don’t you. Don’t you think in retro she petitioned aggressively to get in, but she couldn’t get in? No, no, I think that she. Don’t you regret that? Really? Don’t you think that that was something? But it is. David, just don’t do that. You got in to venture capital having not taken your class. I thought that was a prerequisite. You’re right. Absolutely. That is pretty brutal. Yeah, it’s a good point. Looking for back sweat. Hunter is looking for back sweat. I am a back sweat. Do you want to take my place? Oh, yeah. You can go in for me. Go in for me, Hunter. Make me proud. I don’t think there’s any shortage of back sweat around this person. Sadly, it’s not pretty. It’s not pretty now, Peter, you haven’t started. Are you officially starting? I have not started yet. I started in late August, early September. Currently under debate. Oh, I see. And you’re debating later as opposed to sooner. Exactly. Paycheck versus travel. Well, no, see, you’re totally misunderstanding. You’re supposed to negotiate paycheck and travel. Oh, that’s. You’re gonna suck at this job. I’m not senior enough yet to be able to. Oh, don’t be ridiculous. Gotta come in, you gotta ask big and, you know, see how it goes. Fair enough. And now let’s have respective. I need to have the firms. Right. You’ve just joined TCV Technology Crossover Ventures. And now does TCV view itself as a venture firm or as a buyout firm or as a. Historically, it’s been growth equity, and I think it continues to stay in that area. And we’ll potentially look at other advancing into other areas going forward. So when I have companies that are successful and need some growth equity, you will feel obligated to fund them. Compelled. Are you playing Jedi mind tricks? I’m just trying to understand. He’s reaching for his wallet. These are not the VCs you’re looking for. For. These are not the VCs we’re looking for. What do you think this is just about dodgeball? What are you out of your mind? He’s a long term thinker. That’s right. Exactly. Now, Eve. What? I’m with Greylock. With Greylock. Excellent. And you joined him a year and a half ago, so it’s been about 18 months. And I hear that David Z is like. Is very rude in the office. Maybe I shouldn’t put words in your mouth. But I think that’s what you were telling me earlier. Well, all I know from going forward is seeing how James Slavitt played in the dodgeball court. I’m going to be a little afraid. Yeah, Slavitt. See, and again, he’s kind of tall, lanky, you know, ass kicker. But that’s because he came from the entrepreneur side. Right. He’s the. He was a labor, like, you know, street fighter. We funded him, I should point out he was one of my entrepreneurs. But he abandoned us, you know. But that. Which is a shame. Yeah, exactly. That is a shame. And. And David Z, who I just saw wander in, who also was suckered into co sponsoring this event with me, which I greatly appreciate. Now, Mike, you recently have a move from one venture firm to another. That’s a bold. That’s right. Bold effort. It’s like out of the frying pan and into the fire or something. Right, exactly. So you’re now with Foundation. That’s exciting. It is exciting. They’re really cool guys. They’re cool guys. Although, you know, I understand again that it’s very hierarchical and you’re in charge of parking their cars. Well, that’s right. That’s when their children can’t get out of school in time. You have to go pick them up. You have to go pick them up. Yeah, I gotta go pick them up. That’s right. Yeah. And you know, when there’s heavy back sweat, they actually gave me a large, very absorbent chamois, I think is the material. Wow. I keep it in my office in a small container. That’s unbelievable. I’m going to talk to those guys because I think that’s just rude. No. You know, venture capital business is one that takes time to learn the business. Exactly. This is what. This is what we mean. But when we say that this is an apprenticeship business, you have to learn the ropes by doing what it takes. They gave him an office, though. No, no, that’s a complete. So this is a completely unfair characterization because the whole reason you had foundation is because you were kicking ass. And I want. You know, I don’t. Out of. Out of deference, I won’t mention where you were, but I think, you know, you were spotted and, and recruited. And that’s great news for. Well, I appreciate that, David. The first month has been kind of funny because the first couple weeks I was making so much money for them. They said, stop, just stop. Calm down. This is not. This is not how it works. You’re only supposed to do this once every few years, not Every day, right? No, I hear you. And have you guys smacked me down a little bit? Have you guys sufficiently sucked up to Jeff Clavier? Because he’s. Every time we see him, because Jeff is. He’s basically. He’s bas. You know, deal, flow machine. Jeff, have you lost weight? You look great. Thank you. I have. For real. Nobody believes it, but surreal. That wasn’t made up. Thank you. Very nice. I have a tour of company for you. There you go. There you go, man. See? So thank you, David, for putting us through that. Can we pay for not being on the video? Can be sort of cut out. Absolutely. I mean, especially guys with plunged. But I suck. Well, you know, hey, look, as long as you didn’t pull a groin muscle, that’s victory. Really? Really. As long as. As you pull someone else’s groin muscle, that’s a victory, I think. Not for the cameras, ideally, indirectly. That’s. I’m just saying. Well, we signed the release anyway, so it’s fine, right? It is. It is. It’s a great idea, by the way. It’s been fun. It’s been fun. Well, we’re going to go on. We’re going to see if we can find some labor and see how much they hate, you know, the over charms. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. But. But, you know, enjoy the pizza. That’s all I’m saying. All right. You should make a contest. What is the best excuse for being back in the office at 2pm and finding an excuse that is co. Credible for you thinking because we’re all sweaty and saying I’m sorry I stink because I couldn’t take a shower, I played dodgeball is not credible. I’m not gonna use this one. Okay. All right, well, we’ll do a poll here. Let’s go. I think we’re at the finals here, you know. Oh, is it up to. Is it up to the finals? It is. All right. We’re. We’re approaching the court. All right, well, you know, what do you think? Should we cost some labor or. Look at over here. These guys have. These guys are sitting down. Oh, man. If you’re getting a deal done, I want to know about it. Part of the sponsorship thing is I get a cut. So. So what? Ken, how you doing? And where are you from, Ken? I’m here in Sunnyvale. What is the company? The company name is called getquik. G E T Q U I K. Awesome. What do you guys do? I’m online and mobile ordering for restaurant takeout and delivery. Order orders. And so you are the lazy Version of Open Table or the. The entry level before you get to Open Table. Oh, that’s right. So they’re more. They’re more reservations. Yeah. This is Tuesday through Thursday. This is lunchtime. You know, simple transaction coffees, competitive type transactions. And you have. And you have restaurants in the Bay Area? Yeah, we have over 100 restaurants that are participating right now. We’re in beta mode. Very cool, Very cool. We’ll have to that. Craig and I, we’ll do some ordering next time for our podcast. That’d be great. And over here we have Konstantin. When you can call someone up about your order through his endeavor. How’s this going for you? It’s kind of like Dodgeball for social networks. Yeah. Oh, that is what you do, isn’t it? Tell us more if you want to. If you’re not on your social network, sometimes you do things other than hanging out in front of your computer. You still want to hear from your friends. You basically create a widget, and people can call you on your mobile phone. So, you know, people can call me on LinkedIn right now, and I can still answer the call. All right, very cool. And, you know, there was a little LinkedIn reference, too, since Constantino was one of the founders over there now, you know, spreading his bets to other great ideas. It’s bold little mini vc. So tell me, you know, what made you guys come to labor versus Capital Dodgeball? How could you not? It’s a great idea. It’s like, when do I ever get to throw a ball at a venture capitalist? Oh, man. I’m increasingly coming to the conclusion that that was the rationale for all of you guys. Unbelievable. Ken, you really actually wanted to, you know, be helpful and supportive of the venture investors. I was here for the prizes, but unfortunately got knocked out in second round. Oh, but you know what? We have consolation prizes for everyone, because everyone who has attended this fine event, no one will lose a copy of Dodgeball the movie, because we, the venture capitalists, want you to leave happy and fulfilled and satisfied. Just like a visit to August Capital. Thank you. Jeez, you were the back room burning those the other night, weren’t you? DVD Duplicator. How’d you guys do on your side? Well, I never had an official side, although I did get in once, and we got pretty much knocked out quite instantaneously. Were you our first round? Were you playing money first round? No, no, no, no. I was still contending with, you know, name tags and the likes. Okay, so next time, all right? You’re going down next Time next time. What do you. So paintball next time. How you thumbs up or thumbs down? Yeah, More pain. Definitely. More shooting. Shooting adventure capitalists. All right, so you’re gonna stick. You’d say stick with dodgeball. Yeah. The other suggestion was miniature golf. Too insufficiently physical to miniature golf. Yeah, that’s the opposite side. This is good racing. All right, we could do that. Yeah. Go kart racing. Neighbor’s cars versus the venture capitalist cars. Yeah. Right. As long as we can use our own cars. Yeah, Right. That’s a deal. All right, well, we’ll see next event. We just had someone come off the court here. Someone just got knocked off. I did. Mike, how’s it going? You’re looking somewhat tired here. I am. I am. It was a long. I was the last one in the last game. Man, oh, man. It wears at you. It wears at you. But I think ratchet. We’re doing well here. Is it more a mental game or a physical game? It’s very mental. You got to have agility to dodge. After that, it’s all mental. All right, well, awesome. I appreciate it. Come on over. Come on over here. We haven’t met yet. I’m David Hornik with August Capital. Greg. Greg. You’re in the venture lending business, Is that what I heard? Yes. Awesome. And now we were saying earlier that in sort of classic fashion, the capitol brought in a ringer. And. And. And you’re that ringer. So it’s a little sad to see you out here. What the hell? It goes against all my athletic training to. To catch the ball in your body, and I’m trying to catch it out here, but the ball is bouncy and light. Right. So light that it. So actually, I. I’ve been out because the guy’s been catching my ball. Hits him in the chest, it bounces off, and he catches him. So the key to this game is go for the feet. Totally feet. But, you know, your whole athletic training, you’re supposed to throw it right at the guy’s chest. You know, that’s how you. You know. See, this is the difference between, you know, a former professional football player and a former professional dungeon master. See, you know, my perfect. My professional training was pretty much to pray that some woman would ultimately marry me. Well, that’s similar to football. That’s a good. That’s a good training. It is a good training. So now we’re alluding to it. But I want to. I want to be quite explicit here. You were. You were a former Miami Dolphin, is that right? I spent Five and a half years with the Miami Dolphins, and that’s just unbelievable. Nine and a half years in the NFL altogether. That’s awesome. And what. How. Was it fun or was it sort of grueling in the end? It was a little bit of both. I mean, it was. It was a lot of fun and. But every Monday when you woke up, you felt like you were in a car accident the day before. It seems like that, you know, it was tough. That is pretty brutal. Are you up now? Oh, yeah, I’m up. I got to do better this time. Don’t try and grab it. Feet. All right. You know, I spent nine years in the NFL, too. I just didn’t want to mention nine years in front of the tube. No, I was. You know, I think I was the kicker. You don’t remember me? No, I went with a pseudonym. Kicky McKicker. You must have missed that. I must have missed it. All right, I think this is. This could be the. This could be the final round here. This is it. This is the tiebreaker. Tiebreaker. This is down. It’s down to the last. We better get some commentary in here. Pardon us. Excuse us. We have to. We have to do the color commentary here. This is the final match. They’re standing off. They’re bouncing. What are the teams? Do you know what we got here on Backsweb, Back Sweat versus. Yep, he’s supposed to be in there. Okay, they’re off. All right. One of the Capital guys. Oh, no, no. I’ve been watching Capital’s Out. I frankly have been watching Alib. Alib is the creator of Evite, and he’s looked very intense through this whole thing. I mean, he’s taking this far too seriously. Well, I. We were just chatting. See the gentleman on the farm, and he. He was this. This gentleman right here, professional football player. He’s the best we got. Peter Fam is out because, you know, he just doesn’t have any motivation now that he’s sold. He doesn’t care. There that. It was like a hard slog, that photo coming out here. A couple of capital rolling off. Labor’s looking good. Oh, it’s looking bad. Labor’s also got a vault X. There’s another player. Oh, do we. Who. What do we got? What do we got here? Right there. Al was on the water polo team. Another Capital down. Another Capital down. That’s. Know that. Oh, Angie, you know, you’re doing so well. We were really. We were really proud of you. No, it was awesome. He’s out. Okay, Scott stepping Out we got five on Capital and like six on Labor. Two, four, six, eight. Oh, yeah. And they’re crushing us down. Solidarity for capital Labor. I mean, it’s just unbelievable. Jason Shell and looking fleet of foot, bouncing around a little bit. Now, this is the thinking part of the game. Z, he’s looking. He’s looking winded, actually. He’s kind of cranking his arm. He’s. I think he’s been injured. I think he’s. I don’t think they did the proper calisthenics before the game. A massive attack. Violent. That was. That must have been disappointing to get so close and then it was a sacrifice player. Did you see that? The team. You did, you did. That’s what we like, we like in the labor side, you know, to play well as a team. Yeah, exactly. The Venture guys, it’s a little tough. Sorry. When they get down to two, it might work, they might co lead, but otherwise it’s not going to go well for. I know who to look for to catch my ball, man. All right, Dave Sif is over here. He’s kind of laying outside my body frame. And look at him. He’s stalking them, stalking them. Ready to take him down. It’s pretty ugly, but no. Here it comes. Does anyone. Anyone know who the gentleman is? Like dodgeball kills. Killer. Killer. I don’t know. Yeah, who we got? Who do we got down there? Oh, oh, nicely done. Capital down to two. Two versus six. Oh, he’s got him. Oh, no. So close. And out comes another labor. We’re down to 2 versus 5 in this final smackdown. They’re ganging up. Oh, no. Oh, nicely done. He uses the trampoline surface. Oh, beautiful shot by Capital. Capital’. Oh, it’s down to one. Here comes. Here comes Z stepping off. Nicely done. That was a big leap. Oh, man. Oh, man. Four on one. Shellen’s taking a timeout to tie his shows. Okay, people, they’re circling like cats. It’s all about coordinating. And there goes a 3.3wild attack. Not out. Here it comes. Here it comes. He’s got the arm. Oh, nicely done. He’s got the one. Oh, he’s looking him. Oh, yeah. Pick it up, pick it up. All right, now they’ve split it up. Look at. They’re looking angry, they’re looking tired, they’re looking ugly. It’s really pathetic. Get him. Oh, Dave Sifry. Nicely done, Dave. We appreciate the effort. And then there were three. Shellen’s bouncing, he’s thinking, he’s dancing. How much time? No, it’s going until it’s over. Oh, Shellen’s out. Oh, so close. Look at this. We’re down to two. Alib is stepping up. They’re thinking and coordinating. What will it come to? Throws. What will happen here? He’s regrouping. He’s regrouping. They’re going to let it go to the end. And he letting loose. Oh, Al drops. Drop and roll, Al. Drop and roll. Does anyone know who this gentleman over here in the corner is? No one. No one. Come on, people. Come on, Labor. You don’t even know your own damn team. We’re united. We’re united. No, we don’t. Together. United will never be defeated. I’m not an hr. I didn’t see that guy getting processed, so. All right, all right, well, you know, the suspense. The suspense is killing me. What will happen? What will happen? Come on. Two shots against Capital. Le. Both missed. Capital is caught out. Nicely done. Back sweat, Al. Al comes up with the big catch to end the game. Unbelievable. This is no small accomplishment. We gotta. We gotta get these last three here. We’ll get the post game. Post game interview. Al, let’s ask. I want to ask you. What. What in your Evite experience trained you best for that, for that epic battle evide? I don’t know. Hard work, a lot of training. You know, I’ve been on the court, been sweating, you know, putting the hours in. It’s all about the practice, man. It is. It’s all about the practice. This had nothing to do with those hours in the pool. All right? You know. Hey, Craig. Yes, sir. It’s been great. I. I always enjoy these remote locations. Do you not? I. This is the first one I’ve actually really sweated at. Yeah, that’s true. You know, sweat cast that we’ve had. But it was great. It’s great. It turned out well. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Well, we’ll catch you back at August Capital in a couple weeks. Thanks for cash. Fly for providing bandwidth for our show. That’s right. Ca catch fly. Are you embarrassed and horrified yet or not? Not yet. All right, well, we’re going to keep pushing at the outer limits. Yes. All right. Thank you. Bye bye.